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russian_americaNarod,
I would like to invite you to participate in a discussion group on the following topic: Do younger Russian Jewish immigrants – educated professionals like ourselves - think it is possible/desirable to get in any way involved in the American Jewish life (Jewish religious life is NOT the topic of discussion here)?
Before you say no, a bit of context: Some American Jews realize that there are a lot of Russian Jews in the U.S. with great education, great professions, great potential, etc. However, there is virtually no cross-pollination between American Jews and Russian Jews. Why? The discussion groups I am inviting you to are an attempt to explore the "Why". The goal is simply to get our perspectives on the issue without trying to convert anyone to anything.
WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU:
If you participate in a 1 1/2 to 2 hour group conversation you'll get a nice free dinner plus a $25 gift certificate to Barnes & Noble.
PARTICIPATION CRITERIA (IMPORTANT):
Invited is anyone who is Russian-Jewish, age 25-45, speaks BOTH English and Russian, has at least a Bachelors degree (very similar to the group I surveyed last year, remember? – see
http://www.elinagorelik.net/emigrantsurvey/ for reference). Also, we expect that potential participants are NOT already actively involved in American Jewish life. And finally, you have to live/work in the Tri-state area because the conversations will be happening in NYC (unless you'll be around in NYC at the time.)
The goal is to reach about 100-120 of our people. The conversations will take place in the evenings during the week in Manhattan. I will be facilitating these discussions.
These conversations are being sponsored by UJA-Federation (United Jewish Appeal Federation) of New York, because the folks at UJA would really like to hear the opinion from "the other side of the fence".
Feel free to forward this invitation to your friends/relatives.
To sign up for a discussion group, please refer to the schedule below, pick the time/place that works best for you, and contact Natalya Skuratova at
I would like to invite you to participate in a discussion group on the following topic: Do younger Russian Jewish immigrants – educated professionals like ourselves - think it is possible/desirable to get in any way involved in the American Jewish life (Jewish religious life is NOT the topic of discussion here)?
Before you say no, a bit of context: Some American Jews realize that there are a lot of Russian Jews in the U.S. with great education, great professions, great potential, etc. However, there is virtually no cross-pollination between American Jews and Russian Jews. Why? The discussion groups I am inviting you to are an attempt to explore the "Why". The goal is simply to get our perspectives on the issue without trying to convert anyone to anything.
WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU:
If you participate in a 1 1/2 to 2 hour group conversation you'll get a nice free dinner plus a $25 gift certificate to Barnes & Noble.
PARTICIPATION CRITERIA (IMPORTANT):
Invited is anyone who is Russian-Jewish, age 25-45, speaks BOTH English and Russian, has at least a Bachelors degree (very similar to the group I surveyed last year, remember? – see
http://www.elinagorelik.net/emigrantsurvey/ for reference). Also, we expect that potential participants are NOT already actively involved in American Jewish life. And finally, you have to live/work in the Tri-state area because the conversations will be happening in NYC (unless you'll be around in NYC at the time.)
The goal is to reach about 100-120 of our people. The conversations will take place in the evenings during the week in Manhattan. I will be facilitating these discussions.
These conversations are being sponsored by UJA-Federation (United Jewish Appeal Federation) of New York, because the folks at UJA would really like to hear the opinion from "the other side of the fence".
Feel free to forward this invitation to your friends/relatives.
To sign up for a discussion group, please refer to the schedule below, pick the time/place that works best for you, and contact Natalya Skuratova at
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Narod,
I would like to invite you to participate in a discussion group on the following topic: Do younger Russian Jewish immigrants – educated professionals like ourselves - think it is possible/desirable to get in any way involved in the American Jewish life (Jewish religious life is NOT the topic of discussion here)?
Before you say no, a bit of context: Some American Jews realize that there are a lot of Russian Jews in the U.S. with great education, great professions, great potential, etc. However, there is virtually no cross-pollination between American Jews and Russian Jews. Why? The discussion groups I am inviting you to are an attempt to explore the "Why". The goal is simply to get our perspectives on the issue without trying to convert anyone to anything.
WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU:
If you participate in a 1 1/2 to 2 hour group conversation you'll get a nice free dinner plus a $25 gift certificate to Barnes & Noble.
PARTICIPATION CRITERIA (IMPORTANT):
Invited is anyone who is Russian-Jewish, age 25-45, speaks BOTH English and Russian, has at least a Bachelors degree (very similar to the group I surveyed last year, remember? – see
http://www.elinagorelik.net/emigrantsurvey/ for reference). Also, we expect that potential participants are NOT already actively involved in American Jewish life. And finally, you have to live/work in the Tri-state area because the conversations will be happening in NYC (unless you'll be around in NYC at the time.)
The goal is to reach about 100-120 of our people. The conversations will take place in the evenings during the week in Manhattan. I will be facilitating these discussions.
These conversations are being sponsored by UJA-Federation (United Jewish Appeal Federation) of New York, because the folks at UJA would really like to hear the opinion from "the other side of the fence".
Feel free to forward this invitation to your friends/relatives.
To sign up for a discussion group, please refer to the schedule below, pick the time/place that works best for you, and contact Natalya Skuratova at <natalyaskuratova at gmail.com> or call her at 212-836-1433. Please leave a message with your number if no one picks up and Natasha will call you back.
Schedule:
04/06/05, 7.00 pm at JCC of Manhattan (Amsterdam and 76 Street)
04/07/05, 7.00 pm at JCC of Manhattan (Amsterdam and 76 Street)
04/13/05, 6.30 pm at COJECO (Church Street between Park Pl and Barkley St)
04/20/05, 6.30 pm at COJECO (Church Street between Park Pl and Barkley St)
04/21/05, 6.30 pm at COJECO (Church Street between Park Pl and Barkley St)
04/27/05, 6.30 pm at UJC (8th ave. between W. 15th and W. 16th Streets)
04/28/05, 6.30 pm at UJC (8th ave. between W. 15th and W. 16th Streets)
05/04/05, 6.30 pm at Board of Jewish Education (38th Street and 8th ave)
05/04/05, 6.30 pm at Board of Jewish Education (38th Street and 8th ave)
Spasibo!
Dima
I would like to invite you to participate in a discussion group on the following topic: Do younger Russian Jewish immigrants – educated professionals like ourselves - think it is possible/desirable to get in any way involved in the American Jewish life (Jewish religious life is NOT the topic of discussion here)?
Before you say no, a bit of context: Some American Jews realize that there are a lot of Russian Jews in the U.S. with great education, great professions, great potential, etc. However, there is virtually no cross-pollination between American Jews and Russian Jews. Why? The discussion groups I am inviting you to are an attempt to explore the "Why". The goal is simply to get our perspectives on the issue without trying to convert anyone to anything.
WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU:
If you participate in a 1 1/2 to 2 hour group conversation you'll get a nice free dinner plus a $25 gift certificate to Barnes & Noble.
PARTICIPATION CRITERIA (IMPORTANT):
Invited is anyone who is Russian-Jewish, age 25-45, speaks BOTH English and Russian, has at least a Bachelors degree (very similar to the group I surveyed last year, remember? – see
http://www.elinagorelik.net/emigrantsurvey/ for reference). Also, we expect that potential participants are NOT already actively involved in American Jewish life. And finally, you have to live/work in the Tri-state area because the conversations will be happening in NYC (unless you'll be around in NYC at the time.)
The goal is to reach about 100-120 of our people. The conversations will take place in the evenings during the week in Manhattan. I will be facilitating these discussions.
These conversations are being sponsored by UJA-Federation (United Jewish Appeal Federation) of New York, because the folks at UJA would really like to hear the opinion from "the other side of the fence".
Feel free to forward this invitation to your friends/relatives.
To sign up for a discussion group, please refer to the schedule below, pick the time/place that works best for you, and contact Natalya Skuratova at <natalyaskuratova at gmail.com> or call her at 212-836-1433. Please leave a message with your number if no one picks up and Natasha will call you back.
Schedule:
04/06/05, 7.00 pm at JCC of Manhattan (Amsterdam and 76 Street)
04/07/05, 7.00 pm at JCC of Manhattan (Amsterdam and 76 Street)
04/13/05, 6.30 pm at COJECO (Church Street between Park Pl and Barkley St)
04/20/05, 6.30 pm at COJECO (Church Street between Park Pl and Barkley St)
04/21/05, 6.30 pm at COJECO (Church Street between Park Pl and Barkley St)
04/27/05, 6.30 pm at UJC (8th ave. between W. 15th and W. 16th Streets)
04/28/05, 6.30 pm at UJC (8th ave. between W. 15th and W. 16th Streets)
05/04/05, 6.30 pm at Board of Jewish Education (38th Street and 8th ave)
05/04/05, 6.30 pm at Board of Jewish Education (38th Street and 8th ave)
Spasibo!
Dima
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Date: 2005-04-04 08:06 am (UTC)Ай
Date: 2005-04-04 03:29 pm (UTC)Человек старается, третий раз постит в коммьюнити «приглашение»
и что в результате ? Окромя 3-4 человек никто не высказал особого
желания проходить протцедуру оф «cross-polination» witn American
Jewish community, и даже за бесплатный ужин. I guezz there is no
free lunch after all. Хотя, быть может, это стиль предложения или,
может, сама суть обсужднения,- как бы там нибыло, народ не особо
интересуется. Не то что в этой коммьюнити не собралось особо много
"educated professionals", - как раз в rusam их и хватает судя по
всему, но может, каким-то странным образом они все просто русские (шутка)? :)
И это радует - таки наверное и не так много общего между двумя
communities что бы обсуждать перекрёстное опыление,- может, к
биологам обратиться будет более эффективно ? :)
Re: Ай
Date: 2005-04-04 03:35 pm (UTC)А к циничным или анонимным комментариям нашей community я очень даже привык. Без этого у нас никак нельзя! А то еще не дай бог подумают, что мы белые и пушистые. Типа, как в Sienfield - "No say Ukraine weak! Ukraine - strong!"
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Date: 2005-04-04 03:45 pm (UTC)А на нет - и суда нет.
И кто-то это понимает, а кто думает по-другому обязательно
присоедениться к Вашему обсуждению :)
Спасибо за информацию, Дим, - не смотря на то что знаю
порядка 100 человек в НЮ, попадающих под ваш критерий,
не думаю что кого-то из них может заинтересовать так
сформулированное обсуждение, но исключительно ради
интереса обязательно спрошу. Может быть, действительно
Американцы такие белые и пушистые, а может быть кому-то
так только кажется, потому что это их личное мнение .
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Date: 2005-04-04 03:50 pm (UTC)Спасибо, что спросите на НЮ.
Цель обсуждения - как раз понять, почему многие так считают.
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Date: 2005-04-04 05:01 pm (UTC)Помимо того, что русская иммиграция с еверейскими корнями
более чем вовлечена как в общественную, так и в культурную
жизнь (американскую),- вероятно частично jewish american.
Просто те, кто, к примеру, как проффесор работает в NYU или
где-либо ещё, на "cross-polination" должности, вряд ли видят
смысл в обсуждении своей вовлечённости в процесс переопыления
специфично с jewish american community. Probably it makes sense- he does what he is good at and the question if Students he teaches are Jewish or not, rarely visits him.
В данном случае, возможно, вы сможете привлечь специальный
круг людей, которые возьмут на себя функцию посредников
между двумя коммьюнити - но, как ни странно, такие связи,
рождаются достаточно долго и гораздо более прочны при
идеалогических/проффесиональных точках соприкосновения,
нежели при "общности по-определению".
Не берусь судить об отношениях внутри Jewish коммьюнити,
но бытовали мнения что народ из союза, хотя был принят
с распростерыми объятиами в Америке , через короткое
время попал в нефавор встречающей стороны. И как ни
странно, похожие настроения сохранялись достаточно
долго.
В качестве примера можно взять ситуацию в Израеле - где
вопросы алии поставленные не "почему нет сотрудничества" а
"как улучшить сотрудничество" - дают правильное направление
такому дискуту. Хотя и там дискриминации до сих пор хватает.
Конечно- всё вышесказанное моё мнение и моё мнение only, а
значит может отличаться от реального положения вещей :)
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Date: 2005-04-04 05:14 pm (UTC)Насчет профессоров - во-первых, в нашей community не так уж много профессоров (в % отношении) - большая часть в других областях (см. результаты моего опроса в прошлом году). А во-вторых, есть куча областей, в которых мы работаем вместе с Американцами, включая евреев, с которыми мы абсолютно не пересекаемся за пределами работы. Мы как бы в разных измерениях существуем. Так что, несмотря на профессиональные точки соприкосновения, контакта нет и посредничества нет.
А вот мнение "Не берусь судить об отношениях внутри Jewish коммьюнити,
но бытовали мнения что народ из союза, хотя был принят с распростерыми объятиами в Америке , через короткое время попал в нефавор встречающей стороны. И как ни странно, похожие настроения сохранялись достаточно
долго." - это как раз то, что они и хотят от нас услышать на этих discussion groups.
Basically what's happening - a group of the US Jews is reaching out but we are refusing even to see what this "reaching out" is about. Hence, they decided to ask us directly about it including both why there is no cooperation and how it could be created/improved.
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Date: 2005-04-13 05:27 pm (UTC)Дима, там татаро-американского общества нигде нет? :-)
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Date: 2005-04-13 05:46 pm (UTC):)